The entire message was based around how God can meet all MY needs. Chandler, a Reformed evangelical pastor, spoke as a guest speaker at Elevation last Friday, the third night of the Code Orange Revival. "Because ours is such a free and prosperous society; it is easier for Christians to feel secure by presuming on instead of depending on God's grace." - John MacArthur. 4) Wrong on all counts. It is a serious breach of the ninth commandment to defame someone in this manner. IMHO he totally manipulated the emotions of his audience and used the scriptures in an inappropriate way. For me there is no doubt that some of Scotlands independent churches and ministries, need to be investigated re their finances..question is who does it? And this from a Scottish leader of an American megachurch wonderful stuff again , Pastor, Writer, Debater, Blogger, Scot, Dundonian, married to Annabel.with three grown up children and two grandchildren.View all posts by theweeflea. For me there is no doubt that some of Scotlands independent churches and ministries, need to be investigated re their finances..question is who does it?. These views raised controversy within American evangelicalism and were challenged in print by non-lordship dispensationalist theologians Charles Ryrie and Zane C. Hodges, who argued that MacArthur's ministry was teaching a form of works-based salvation. This photo posted to Twitter by Phil Johnson shows a full sanctuary at Grace Church on Sunday, July 26, 2020. Thanks for this. Legal Statement. [2] He is currently the chancellor emeritus of The Master's University in Santa Clarita and The Master's Seminary. A decade later, he announced he had retracted this view via an article from Grace to You. Im afraid that the influence of the US mega churches such as Elevation is felt throughout the world. This is a really long post that deals almost exclusively, unfortunately, with secondary issues (church size, communications gifts, me focus, salary, wealth, size of house, and more) and thereby obscures the central and clarifying point of Furticks ministry. One expression of faith creates refugees; the other resettles them. When searching for churches outside of the United States, please search using city, country. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. Would you add John Piper, Tim Keller and Alaister Begg to your bonfire? I surrendered to a calling of God. Well, given that many years ago I encouraged one of our young people to complete his studies at Spurgeons College and accept an internship at First Dallas Baptist, it would have to be that one. 3) You respond by providing no evidence and say that you are not against mega churches. Lumping every mega church together is not a healthy thing to do. Now of course the labourer is worthy of his hire, and it is not a sin to be rich. MacArthur was also given an honorary degree from Talbot Theological Seminary (Doctor of Divinity, 1977) and from Grace Graduate School (1976). Market data provided by Factset. [18] Furthermore, he believes that we are obliged to render full submission to scripture above all else and that "[t]o mishandle the Word of God is to misrepresent the One who wrote it. You can either keep silent, go of to somewhere else who will accept your gossip, or repent.obviously I would prefer the latter! In case theology and ecclesiology sounds almost too technical and dulljust remember we are talking about who is God, and what is his church? He has remarked that "[t]he Charismatic movement has stolen the Holy Spirit and created a golden calf, and they're dancing around the golden calf as if it were the Holy Spirit. Here is Kate Shellnut: Last year, Hohn Cho concluded Grace Community Church had made a mistake. Reiterating his stance on 1 Timothy 2:12, he went on to state, "There is no case that can be made biblically for a woman preacher. It never occurs to me for a second to not fulfill it. You've successfully subscribed to this newsletter! He did say that some of his views reflected the old style Liberation Theology and Social Gospel, confusion over eternal punishment and other things. They do things right. But cant we all recognize how difficult we find that? I replied tongue in cheek and its unfortunate my smiley emo didnt indicate that. All rights reserved. To ignore its message is to snub that which the Holy Spirit inspired. Give me one example of Kellers irreverence? The incident referred to was a very serious matter and Christian publications in th USA documented the churchs mishandling of it, which was why I had urged caution. Mike no one is saying that a pastor should be poor. Can I assume that you are now withdrawing the remark about Matt Chandler not being a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived? "We are not heard for our many words, but for the cry of our hearts." I find this very revealing. Its not the unadulterated Word of God for our generation. So when I see money, resources and people being diverted into what appear to be personal vanity projects, branding and corporate Christianity, I weep, am angry and cry out to the Lord. The remarks immediately following that statement seem to suggest that you are and illustrate the way in which you denigrate those with whom you disagree. The biggest threat to the church comes not from fundamentalist atheists or those of another religion, it comes from within. Finally that book! Uh, John MacArthur Is Urging His Church to Stop Supporting Religious Freedom . My own view is that he didnt handle it particularly well even when forced to act. This is another attempt to pick a fight with another straw man. To this end he cites the biblical passage of 1 Timothy 2:11-12. Then you will remember your evil ways and your wicked deeds, and you will loathe yourselves for your sins and detestable practices. It does say that if you are not careful many with money err from the faith and it also says the LOVE OF MONEY is the root of all evil, NOT MONEY ITSELF. He argued at the time that such mandates violated constitutionally protected religious liberties. Cho was told by MacArthur to "forget it" when he called on the elders to "do justice. John MacArthur is wrong about so much more than keeping women in abusive marriages. They make their workers and volunteers sign a confidentiality arrangement that they will not disclose anything about the finances of the church, or they will be sued. New International Version You accuse them of ad hominem remarks while making ad hominem remarks about them: you accuse them of defamation but feel at liberty to defame them. Doubtless it was intended as a joke but I dont think taking a salary of millions more than is necessary to live, work and provide for ones family, is a joke especially when there are hungry children, and many hungry for the Word, who do not receive it because of lack of money. I note you dont answer my questions about Dallas Baptist Church. [14] In 1986, he was made President of the new Master's Seminary. You rightly speak out against the Scott McKennas of this world but you seem to have a blind spot where certain pastors are concerned. issued his own declaration against the county, John MacArthur Warns Christians to Stop Making 'Alliances With Satan' in Remarks on Religious Liberty, Falsely Accused: John MacArthur's Grace Community Church 'Cleared of COVID-19 Outbreak', but Battle Rages On, 'It's Tyranny': Pastor MacArthur Will Get His Day in Court, Fighting CA Shutdown of Churches, Historic Win: John MacArthur Claims Victory in Lawsuit Over Church Restrictions, After Asbury Shutters Revival Services, Outpouring Moved to Lexington Arena: See Full Video Here, 'I Prayed in the Name of Jesus, and He Answered': Heroes Rescue 17,000 While 'Saving Aziz' in Afghanistan. When asked why he marketed his book (or to be more accurate why the church paid thousands to market his book), he was unapologetic, if he didnt believe the message he wouldnt market it. 'Changed My Whole Entire Being': Ex-Strip Club Owner Born Again, Now Works to Help Victims of Sex Trafficking, US Cracks Down, Bans TikTok on All Federal Phones. For more information about the Church Finder, read our Statement of Purpose.. No pastor should be above reproach, there should be no untouchables in the church; even Peter was rebuked by Paul when it was necessary. You then accused me of muddying the waters by dropping in a bit of juicy gossip. 3. March 5, 2021 . There's some really helpful information in there. 2) There are inherent dangers in mega churches which some of your other contributors have highlighted. Rather than ignoring these churches and individuals Scotlands born again believers need to stand up and contend for the faith. What is there to apologise for? Could you tell me the difference? And if the thousands of baptisms represent thousands of people coming to Christ, how could one not rejoice? Opinion Mark Wingfield. [46][47] He stated that there was a deadlier virus killing peoplethe virus of sinleading many to eternal death, in contrast to physical death. They are often more concerned about whether they like the music than they are about whether they are hearing the truth. Eventually, all lawsuits were settled out of court with the County of Los Angeles and the State of California paying $400,000 each to Grace Community Church. Last year, when far-reaching government restrictions were put in place, the megachurch continued holding indoor worship services despite bans on such gatherings. And after 63 years of sacrificial kindness to our city, to be repeatedly threatened with court-ordered efforts to shut Grace Community Church down when no one is sick reveals an inexplicable preference for a mostly harmless virus over the life-enriching and necessary fellowship of the church., As for MacArthurs own battle against COVID-19, the 82-year-old pastor was absent from the pulpit on Dec. 27, 2020. Earlier this year his church was embroiled in a scandal over their handling of a child sexual abuse case. . (function(d){var f = d.getElementsByTagName('SCRIPT')[0], p = d.createElement('SCRIPT');p.type = 'text/javascript';p.async = true;p.src = '//widgets.wp.com/platform.js';f.parentNode.insertBefore(p,f);}(document)); on Elevation Church The Good, The Bad and the Ugly. But I find it astonishing that you cite it here in a massive church (and smaller churches) there are bound to be people who are sex abusers and the church will not always handle that well. Thats hypocrisy, and no, that doesnt constitute name calling. So I hoped and prayed that this would not become another crash and burn mega church story. Elevation Church were accused of getting volunteers to come forward during the spontaneous baptism services, in order to encourage others to get up out of their seats. L.A. County has reportedly spent nearly $1 million in attorneys fees and other costs since the legal battle with Grace Community Church began. 1) I did not come on to your blog and say that Matt Chandler was not a good example of how the gospel should be lived. Opinion Page Brooks and David Bumgardner This following sermon was full of what can only be called psychobabble. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=vvjMUrPUfC4&app=desktop. Excellent post David. 2) I challenge you to provide some evidence for that statement and question whether you were just against mega churches per se. Given that is neither what I wrote, nor what I think. He is a ministry collaborator with . You said he was a great example, I urged caution and pointed to a recent event where he and his church had attracted adverse publicity because of how they handled a particular incident. (2Tim. Join us on Sundays for a full day of teaching, preaching, music, and fellowship. MacArthur responded "unqualified" and proceeded to argue that Furtick, pastor of Elevation Church, was not qualified, by Biblical standards, to be a pastor. [48][49], In February 2023 Christianity Today[50] published multiple instances of MacArthur's Grace Community church advising woman to stay with sexually and physically abusive husbands. In 1969, after graduating from Talbot Theological Seminary, John came to Grace Community Church. John MacArthur Takes on the New Apostolic Reformation & Rick Perry's Prayer Event This is a portion of the transcript from John MacArthur's sermon from October 23, 2011 . The truth is whether it is a mega church pastor in the US, or a small church pastor in Scotland, it is not OUR church, it is HIS. Haters will hate This is a classic example of 1 Timothy 5:13 I hope this is mature and open enough for you! I think youve just answered your own question; how very sad. Truth in love is the biblical standardI didnt claim that you had claimed suchI just assumed that that was what you are doing. [13] In 1985, MacArthur was made President of Los Angeles Baptist College, now The Master's University, a four-year Christian liberal-arts college. 4) Its also not a good idea to claim that you know the motives of someone you dont know. As for Southern Baptists liking Donald Trump, its almost as bad as you liking Scottish Nationalism. We welcome another new contributor, Edward Benitez, as he biblically critiques a sermon given by Steven Furtick. As for ES Williams book yes I have heard of it and read several reviews -Im afraid I wont be spending the 30 on a book which just seems to want to attack and tar everyone with the same brush. . Why would you equate Chandler with Furtick, but First is ok? I'm a bank robber. Its not loving, judgemental, take the beam out of your own eye, it aint wrong to be rich, youre just jealous, hypocrite. From 1964 to 1966, MacArthur was hired by his father as associate pastor at the Harry MacArthur Memorial Bible Church (now Calvary Bible Church in Burbank, California), which his father Jack had planted and named after his own father. Matt. I live maybe two hours from the Village and have visited twice. Sadly so. Market data provided by Factset. You call them out or call them to repentance but see no need to repent yourself. I made no comment on how Matt Chandler lives as a Christian.you didyou declared I was somewhat alarmed by the endorsement of Matt Chandler as a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived.. Why do you think that that was disgraceful etc but G Whites bracketing of Furtick with Chandler was not? Legal Statement. I have reread the comments by G Whiteand my own responses. Sadly The Lord will deal with him, and it will be very painful for him and his family. Opinion Preston Clegg. 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